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The Climbing Mythbusters

A quick explanation

There's a lot of inaccurate beliefs in the climbing world.  Is hardware ruined after dropping it?  Will a clove hitch slip?  Will the Euro Death Knot invert during a rappel?  How often do you accept what you hear without taking a hard look at the tests?

This page is dedicated to getting things straight.  Most of what you'll read there is based on actual pull tests conducted by myself and Jeff Fassett, an AMGA Certified Rock Instructor here in Tucson.  In other cases, we've directly contacted individuals who have conducted controlled tests themselves.  

How am I qualified to bust these myths?  Judge for yourself.  A lot of the time I've done research on what super-seasoned, intelligent climbers have tested themselves.  As for my credentials:  I'm an AMGA Certified Rock Instructor, I have multiple degrees involving research, thousands of days in the field, a really good head on my shoulders, and lots of training from recognized experts.

Keep in mind a few things:

I've edited most of the anecdotes to keep them succinct.  It's only necessary here to present the facts, not lengthy periodical-like papers.  But don't assume that hasn't crossed my mind.  If you're questioning what you read below, good.  Think critically.  Test things yourself in a safe environment.  Nothing is better for building your confidence than your own experience.

If you'd like, submit your questions/suggestions/myths via email by clicking the contact link above.  We'll see if we can test it out for you.


Myth 1: Carabiners are fragile  

Myth:  "Carabiners are susceptible to hair-line fractures if they are dropped. These fractures cannot be seen by the naked eye, but can drastically weaken a carabiner. So NEVER DROP YOUR CARABINER. If you do, it is best to discard it immediately and replace it with a new one."  (source:  http://www.cbcnsw.org.au/docs/AbseilGuidelines.pdf)

Reality:  This is not true of modern carabiners.  First, the "grain" of the aluminum runs parallel to the stock, not perpendicular, so undetectable hairline fractures spontaneously causing carabiner failure just isn't true. Steve Nagode, a quality assurance engineer with REI, conducted an experiment in which carabiners were dropped six times from a distance of 10 meters onto a concrete floor.  The breaking strength of the carabiners was then determined with a 50-kN load cell.  The results:  no reduction in strength was observed when comparing the dropped carabiners with carabiners that had not been dropped.  

Black Diamond's website says this:  "It's best to inspect dropped gear for dings and significant trauma. If only light scratching is visible and gate action is still good, there is a good chance it is fit for usage."

Here's a more colorful test, this time done with a Petzl Reverso:  I call this "Reverso VS .357 Magnum". Shooting a small object with a snubnose .357 from a safe distance is tricky, but yields thrilling results.  This is akin to throwing the Reverso into a rock surface at 67m/s, which would require dropping it 240m (790 feet).  And these calculations omit air resistance, which limits the terminal velocity of the Reverso free-falling to around 35m/s (the terminal velocity of a baseball).  In actuality, the piece of gear would not reach 68m/s even falling this far.  The Reverso bent various ways, but it took 5 direct hits before it actually broke.  This seems to indicate that a single, short drop for a piece of hardware does little to no damage.  


Myth 2: Nonlockers and Reversos mix

On two recent occasions, I arrived at belay stances and found that I was being belayed with a Reverso directly off the anchor, but with a NON-locking carabiner on the ropes.  (see the photo below).  

Reality:  While the chances of the rope coming unclipped are extremely low, i strongly discourage this practice.  Any time a person's life is dependant upon one carabiner, it's best to use a locking carabiner.  This includes rappelling, tying in to an anchor, and use in a plaquette device.  Consider this carefully:  in the (unlikely) event that the rope is unclipped, the belay will fail.  In a critical application such as this, use of a locking carabiner will further reduce the chance of the rope escaping the device.  Note, too, that the instructions for the device (shown below) illustrate use of a locking carabiner.  



Myth 3:  Dyneema is a good material for friction hitches

(Submission from Bill Holman, Pittsburgh, PA) - "Geir, I have heard a rumor that dyneema is bad to use for an autobloc, as the strong thin material can cut through ropes.  Myth? "

Reality:
The dyneema will not cut through the rope if used as an autobloc.  I have tried this out on multiple occasions.  There are two big concerns that I have heard when using Dyneema (or any other spectra sling) for an autobloc:
  
1) The biggest concern is that Spectra produces much less friction than nylon.  In "Comparative Testing of High Strength Cord" by Tom Moyer, Paul Tusting, and Chris Harmston, the authors found that the autobloc grip strength of Mountain Tools Ultratape (a nylon/spectra blend) was about 1/5-1/10 as strong as cords with a nylon cover.  The thin dyneema slings I have tested since Bill asked this question are quite slick; I found them slipping under body weight when wrapped 5-6 times around a new rope.  A 5.5 mm nylon cord under the same conditions gripped very well.  

2) The melting point of spectra (297 F) is significantly lower than the melting point of Nylon-6 (Perlon) at 428 F.  Spectra rapidly loses strength above 257 degrees Farenheight.  So there's a greater chance of weakening your spectra slings for subsequent use if you use it for an autobloc.  The question is, however, how hot does it get under an autobloc sliding along a rope?  Well, I checked this out, too.  It was a pain in the neck, but using a meat thermometer I found that the temperature under an autobloc on a single-rope rappel of about 100 feet does not go above 120 degrees F.  So melting does not appear to be an issue.

Based on these initial findings, it's probably best NOT to use dyneema for an autobloc.  

Myth 4:  Clove hitches slip under high loads

Many climbers use a clove hitch to tie in to the anchor during multipitch climbs.  One myth about the clove hitch is that it will slip under load, and that both strands need to be loaded for the knot to be stable.

Myth:  "Used as a traditional hitch, that is loading only one end, the clove hitch is liable to slip. It requires a load in each direction in order to be effective, such as when being used as a crossing knot." (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clove_hitch)

Myth:  "The drawback of the clove hitch is that it can slip, creep up the carabiner, and open its gate ... if allowed to go unsupervised, the knot is extremely dangerous."  (source:  http://books.google.com/books?id=3Ohpsz6jP8cC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq =clove+hitch+slip&source=web&ots=BbHlLZzmL3&sig=RgHr8P8uLxxksAyZ6dDu-o2-g7s)

Reality:
While clove hitch intially allows a small amount of rope to slip as it tightens under load, it does NOT slip when pulled to failure.  Jeff Fassett and I pull tested a clove hitch tied around a carabiner with a 9.6mm rope.  After setting the knot by pulling on both strands, it was pulled to 1150 pounds.  Tape marking the load strand had moved only 5 inches from its original location next to the carabiner.  The clove was then pull tested to failure.  No slip occurred as it was pulled to higher loads.  The rope broke at the clove hitch at 2700 pounds.  

"Before" photo:  note that a piece of tape marks the load strand prior to pull testing


Here is the video of the pull test:


"During" photo: note that approx 5" of rope has crept through when loaded to 1150 pounds. No further creep occurred when the clove hitch was pulled beyond this load.





"After" photo: the clove hitch ultimately failed at 2700 pounds.  The mechanism of failure is a familiar one:  the rope is severed at its entry point into the clove hitch.  


Myth 5:  The Euro Death Knot can roll during a rappel

The Euro Death Knot (flat overhand) is gaining wide acceptance among the climbing community as a means of joining ropes for double-rope rappels.  However, I still run into climbers who believe that it's prone to rolling under rappel loads.  

I've found only one documented case in which a climbing party claimed that a flat overhand "untied itself" during a rappel (9/12/1997, Guide's Wall, Grand Teton NP).  In this case, the knot was untied and then "retied" just before the accident.  Countless pull tests and probably a million rappels since then have failed to replicate what happened.

Quite a few tests, however, have demonstrated that the flat overhand is quite strong.  
  • In 2000, Burton Moomaw, an AMGA Certified Rock Instructor, pull tested the flat overhand tied in two single dynamic lines.  He found that the knot inverted at 1400 pounds, then did nothing further as it was subjected to higher loads.  (Source: direct communication)
  • In 2005, Jeff Fassett (also a Certified Rock Instructor), completed an unusual and humorous test on the flat overhand.  After using a flat overhand to tie a dynamic line in a continuous loop, he dragged a 6,000 pound van with it.  The van was in park with the emergency break on!  Based on the vehicle weight and the friction of the tires, he calcluated the load on the knot to be 1500 pounds.  The knot did not invert or slip.  He repeated the test using the flat overhand to join an 8.5mm rope and a 10.5 mm rope.  Again, the knot neither failed nor inverted.  (Source: direct communication)
  • Tom Moyer performed a series of tests on the flat overhand.  He found that properly tied and set flat overhands did not roll until loads of 1400-2400 pounds were applied.  If the ropes were soaked and of significantly different diameters, he found that the knot could initially invert at a load of 950 pounds. However, subsequent inversions required 1070-1400 pound loads.  (Source: http://www.xmission.com/~tmoyer/testing/EDK.html)
It is difficult to produce loads of even 600 pounds on a rappel.  Jeff Fassett and I measured the force produced on an anchor during a double-rope rappel using a dynamometer.  Not surprisingly, during normal rappelling the force on the anchor was simply body weight (in our measurements, 150 pounds).  In this case, the load on the flat overhand is 75 pounds.  Even with rigorous 5-foot deadfalls close to the anchor,  e anchor, we were unable to produce a load greater than 600 pounds on the anchor.  In this case, the load on the flat overhand is only 300 pounds.  (These tests were conducted with a heavily-used 10.2 mm Beal dynamic line and a 150 pound person.)

Based on these measurements, the following conclusions can be drawn:
  • The flat overhand is about 18 times stronger than it needs to be for rappelling when using two single, dry ropes, and rappelling normally.
  • Very agressive rappelling may cut this margin down to a 5-fold difference.
  • Under the worst of conditions tested (two soaking wet ropes of different diameter), the flat overhand is still 12 times stronger than the anticipated load on the anchor.
  • Very agressive rappelling may cut this margin down to a 3-fold difference.
  • Even if the "roll load" of the knot is exceeded, it would take repeated, increasing loads to cause additional knot inversions.